Friday, 12 October 2007

A very personal sharing

I met some of my former church-mates for lunch last Wednesday in the same restaurant where the erotic lunch happened last week. I think it’s just something about that restaurant. For those who want to know, it’s one of the hottest eatery spot in Pavillion. Maybe you should go and have lunch there some time.

Anyway, we were doing our usual catch up but there has been a certain change in the flavour of our conversation. We used to bitch about work and gossip about so and so dating so and so. Yes, Christians are human after all. As age catch up with us, the conversation topic has shifted to marriage and children. One of us is already a mother.

Somehow, the conversation led to feeding the infant and about so and so having a lot of milk… breast milk. One of the girls was telling us about how her cousin (I think) has a lot of breast milk …

“Really damn a lot, when I opened the fridge, I could see so much!”
“Why she wants to pump out so much?”
“XXX don’t have much milk, so she just take from my cousin’s reserve”
What the…...!!! My friend’s cousin shares her reserves of breast milk!!! Okay, I think I have a few mothers reading my blog. Will you all share your breast milk? Or, will you let your child drink someone else’s breast milk?

Any thoughts on this very ‘personal’ sharing?

Last but not least…

Zewt ingin mengambil kesempatan di sini untuk mengucapkan Selamat Menyambut Hari Raya Aidilfitri kepada semua pembaca AZAIG yang beragama Islam terutamanya deOughtred, Ardy, Alan Zed, Wazir, Kata Tak Nak, Pak Zawi, j or ji, Manal, Lucius Maximus, Tunku Halim, Zaty dan yang mereka yang saya rasa masih membaca AZAIG seperti Nuraina dan Rocky Bru. Harap-harap saya tidak meninggalkan sesiapa.

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80 comments:

angel said...

Dunno how to answer...

I was at Pavillion on Wed too but after lunch hour. It's so big... Ohh... u went to Madam Kwan's...

Selamat hari raya, maaf zahir batin.

Seok Thong said...

The food pic there makes me really hungry for it!!

Kenny Ng said...

I miss the foods! Anyway... Happy holiday for you.

-=SiN=- said...

surprisingly today i did thought about tits.. eeh milk XD
Man it seems are alway fascinated with it~ lucky our female coutnerpart got 1 pair.. else it be thrice the fun? o.0!

Anyway I think it's alright to feed on shared milk; cuz some mother does under produce. I remember seeing "mother's milk" being sold at pharmacy. Susu siapa tu?

Those who drink milk I doubt they know if their milk comes from brown cow, black cow or white cow XD..

Bee Ean said...

I would mind sharing the milk with baby belong to my family members or close friends.

Rashikaps said...

This is the first I've heard of anything like this.. :)

Happy holidays everyone! No long weekend for us :(

sooi2 said...

lol, i can imagine ur reaction upon hearing that. twas the same i had when i first heard of it!

but personally, i'll feel very very very the gili if my baby drinks the b/m of other women...and a baby whom i did not give birth to drinking my b/m? that would never happen in a million years.

u might want to check out this interesting thread from 5xmom's forum. http://www.mymomsbest.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1592

Anonymous said...

Is it pasteurised?

Anyway, giving out milk helps the mommies to loose weight (after building up lots of reserves while bearing their children). Why not right? In comparison to cow milk, human milk is the most nutritious food a baby can have.

I am all for it...:)

ehon said...

in america, there's a program called Got Milk? I think. it's where american mothers spare their breast milk for orphans in third world countries..

Dancing Queen said...

If a mother has more than enough milk, it's ok to give some away.

You know, in ancient China, they actually employ a wet nurse ie a lactating mother to feed the "dai siu yeh" because the "tai tai" couldn't do such a tiresome task. So, the wet nurse could be breastfeeding more than 1 child & directly somemore! Like a cow! LOL

jasonphoon said...

It is profoundly interesting, how some people would find it disgusting to drink breast milk from a woman, while they drink milk that comes from a cow.

@_@

Firehorse said...

If u have plenty why not? Agree with DQ - same theory as wet nurses.

Helen said...

hahahah Zewt, as a mother I never thought of that. lol

i guess most of the time, most mothers barely has enough breast milk for their baby. Not many has this much supply. Hmm your friend's cousin must be a very er voluptuous lady. :-P

Have a good weekend! :-)

LaSh said...

ssup zewt.

1st: Well, they say mother's milk is best for a child right? I duno anything bout that :P But hey, if a mother can't have enough for her own child {maybe needs to be fed some better grass first), then I don't see what's wrong if she feeds the child on someone's else milk, after all... it is what's best for the child in the first place I THINK... mothers reading.. don't slate me :) thank you.


2nd: read in ur recent post that you were planning for your wedding dinner thingy, SO! WHERE ARE U GOING FOR UR HONEYMOON? [ in case i missed it through ur posts ]


3rd: again on one of ur last posts, in yesterday's paper - the local KPMG firm over here is being sued for some Rs 1.8 billion (around US $60m ) for an offshore task done badly in South Africa.. *ouch*

Hor ny Ang Moh said...

Mummy milk is the BEST!Mummy with a lot of milk must pump out the milk or else she will be in pain ( some baby just don't suc*k out the milk quick enought ). So she have to use a pump to pump out the excess milk! If she don't have the pump the hubby have to help out! He! He! The milk actually taste yucky! First few drop don't even look like milk...it is sort of jelly like but after that it is milky!But it is full of goodness!To me drinking other mummy milk is Ok! U r giving ur baby the best & at the same time u lesser the pain of the milk giving mummy! Oh the only disadvantage of a milking mummy is she will have big tit! Have a nice weekend & enjoy ur hornyday!

m|ssK said...

it's always good to give if the mother has extra milk...but, to let my baby be on the receiving end...i don't think so!!!

mumsgather said...

I wouldn't mind sharing mine if I had ample. For those who think its geli, why not geli to allow baby to drink milk of a cow but geli when its milk of a human? Afterall you are human aren't you? ;)

Huei said...

hm...i dun mind sharing..i mean if other babies r really in need..but um..i dun think i will let mine drink other ppl's breast milk! maybe resort to cow's udder's milk! =P

PurpLe~MuShRooM said...

Ewww.... I won't allow my kids to drink other ppl's breast milk, if i have kids in future. So disgusting.

missironic said...

hmm..the cousin is sumting like a 'nai ma'..alwiz 'sponsoring' milk..lolz..but i guess sumtimes the mother juz cudn't produce much milk so have to take frm others lo..furthermore breast milk is gud for babies rather than the powder milk..

Princess Eileen said...

I thought babies have this connection with their mother through breast-feeding. I wonder will it affects that the baby is drinking another mother's milk.

Anyway, Selamat Hari Raya to the muslims out there!

Nonstop said...

i have a fren who share her b/m to her niece because she has too much milk and her niece has minor illness. since she has too much breast milk y dont she just share her b/m anyway?

maegen said...

never heard any one of my friends ask/give the b/m to others.. if the mummy dont have own milk then they are encourage to eat more fish thus they will get lots of their own milk though. =P happy holiday~!!

KGC said...

I have heard of this from one of the grandmother stories.But in this era, I doubt it.

I will not want my baby to drink someone else's milk, and neither will I give mine to others. It's a personal thingy.

Sunshine said...

hey you missed me out of the list :(

rinnah said...

I guess I wouldn't. It's an exclusive mother-baby kind of thing, in my opinion.

Angie Tan said...

to all muslim readers of AZAIG, Selamat Hari Raya!

to all the others, happy holidays and hv a safe journey if you're traveling.

meanwhile.. i can't imagine... but my mom told me that when my grandmother gave birth to my mom, she didn't have milk for my mom and so, breastfed from her aunt. hence, my mom and grandaunt are very close. (^ ^)

SWei said...

Coming from a childish 17 yr old, NO WAY am I gonna drink someone else's milk other than my mum's! Pity the baby laaa... LOL.

Imagine the mum goes "Aww my baby boo, drink Aunty Sandy's milk."

Her baby thinks :*cries* Whose milk are u feeding me?! This is murderous! T.T (See? They can't even protest viz words.) LOL

This comment is utter rubbish. Just wanna add a twist to all the motherly opinions. haha. KTHNXBAI.

mistipurple said...

some babies are allergic to formula milk. so this will save their life.

lynnx01 said...

In immunology, I learnt a very interesting reason why breast milk can be protective to the specific baby. It's normal for mothers to kiss or smell their babies. They are actually 'tasting' the bacteria on the babies (those prone to get into the babies) and by doing so, the mother's body will make specific antibodies to counter those bacteria. The antibodies will be given to the baby via the breast milk. So if you share breast milk, then the antibodies might not be specific enough for other babies. Hehehe.

Doreen said...

Emmm...not a mother yet. But the thought of sharing the milk is just sooo yucks for me! Eeewwwwww...

zewt said...

angel - yes, it's just too huge.

seok thong - hungry for milk?

Kenny Ng - thanks bro.

-=Sin=- - yeah, i guess we just need to get over the phobia. as long the baby is drinking it from a bottle...

Bee Ean - fair enough.

Rashikaps - well, not long enough for us too but better than nothing.

zewt said...

sooi2 - hahaha... so you're totally against it eh? fair enough. i shall check that out next week.

anon @ 8.14am - i guess it's about getting over the feeling of geli-ness. and i dont think it will ever be pastuerised.

ehon - babies not drinking off their nips right?

Dancing Queen - hello again... yeah, heard of that before. i guess we moved forward and are slowly moving backwards too.

jasonphoon - indeed... and some of us can be eating and drinking stuff which can be 10x more disgusting.

Firehorse - i think the current vote is 2 yes 2 no.

zewt said...

Helen - yeah... i heard she is. and the smallest boobs girl in the conversation said she will need the biggest boobs girl's milk.

LaSh - 1) yeah, i actually share the same sentiment as you. 2) if all things go according to plan, should be paris 3) wow!! get me the news, i wanna post it up!

hor ny - i never thought husband will try the wife's milk... hehe...

m|ssK - hahahaha...so you're willing to share yours but dont want your baby to taste others.. interesting.

mumsgather - absolutely.

Huei - hahahaha... why so many girls also like that? what's the problem really.

zewt said...

purple mushroom - hahaha... wah, so against it!

missironic - so it's better than cow's milk right? will u let your children drink others?

princess eileen - imagine the baby grown up and said "hey, aunty, i think i remember how your milk taste like"...

Nonstop - but some are willing to share but not willing to let their child drink other's.

maegen - hahahaha... eat fish? i think some chinese herbs help.

KGC - fair enough. everyone has their own thinking.

zewt said...

Sunshine - huh... u celebrating already ah?

rinnah - fair enough. to each its own.

Angie Tan - so there is a risk there eh? but i dont see anyone of us reluctant to eat beef, if u know what i mean.

SWei - hi there! hahahahah... your expression on drinking Sandy's milk is so funny... what is KTHNXBAI?

mistipurple - good point. so... save some life ya.

lynnx01 - very interesting point, i should share this on monday :)

Doreen - hahahahahaha... ok, now i know you're against it.

Seaqueen said...

Oh gross. Don't think I'd do that to my child, let alone share milk.

BLuEaPpLE said...

Actually I've heard of the milk sharing thing before. But that was way back during our grand mothers/great grandmothers era.

Now? Err, Ok..the thought of it sounds a wee bit over the edge...Rather cow's milk than someone else's milk!

Zawi said...

Many people don't know that the first milk from a mother after childbirth is called the colustrum. As Horny ang moh said the first few drops are jelly like and taste yucky(?). It is because it contains a very high level of antibodies essential to provide immunity to the newborn. Without the colostrum the baby is liable to infection due to the lack of antibodies.
In Islam there is no prohibition to share milk from a mother. But now the two babies will be considered as blood brothers or sisters and are forbidden from marrying one another even though they are not blood related. I am clueless as to the reason for it. If you are a moslem, you must be careful in choosing your future spouse lest he/she may have fed from the same breasts.
I hope all future mothers wont waste the colostrum on your husbands, your baby needs it more.

Lil' Ms Pinky said...

Hmm...milk sharing. Kinda repulsive, the thought. Will let you know when I become a mom someday.

But...my friend tasted his wife's milk and he said it's delicious!

Shireen Loh said...

I can't. No way jose. Nope. Cows = Human...don't see the link..btw, happy weekend :)

5xmom.com said...

Malaysia's one and only non-profit breastfeeding support online group, ahem, http://mymomsbest.com founder here.

And I refuse to comment. And I refuse to read the comments either. Heh, cos I faisi waste gas.

missironic said...

hmm..never tot of tat..probably never tot of having children before..lolz..however, if really then yea.i guess i'll feed them for few days wif other ppl's milk..not for a long period of time la...

Michael Song said...

firstly selamat hari raya to all...

about the susu tetek, i think it is ok lar... the baby also dont mind wan...

l y n n w e i said...

yay! selamat hari raya to all those that celebrates!

milk ar...erm....hehe...how about formula milk? haa.

Tsu Lin said...

There was a documentary on tv these days. Apparently in the olden days, before the invention of formula milk, mothers who does not have enough, or does not want to breastfeed "farms" out the breastfeeding to other mothers.

So, why not?

ethel said...

Err... kids drink cow's milk. I drink cow's milk. But to think of me (or my kid) drinking someone else's milk.. egh! I dunno lar.. I don't think I want la. Hehehe.

Twisted Heels said...

I don't see why not, as long as I know who the person is?

Russ said...

If my mother gave me someone else milk to drink, i dont think I'd be very happy....

..unless of course I was allowed to drink straight from the other mothers' susu bags! MuakakakakakKAKAKA!!

zewt said...

Seaqueen - do what to your child?

BlueApple - it's amazing how we are willing to share animal's milk but not our kind eh?

Zawi - wow... that is certainly a new piece of information for me. thanks for the tip. now, i am glad i didnt share any milk with anyone when i was young... i think...

Lil' Ms Pinky - hmmm... maybe he tasted it straight from the source?

Shireen Loh - haha... so adamant you are.

zewt said...

5xmom - ok ok... shall check it out on monday.

missironic - hahaha... all depends on the situation eh. i am sure u will have your own one day.

Michael Song - of cos la... baby totally blur.

l y n n w e i - is formula milk mom's milk?

Tsu Lin - i guess that's the old days eh? i have no qualms over it too.

ethel - just a matter of mind over matter.

twisted heels - wahhh... friend's... hmmm...

russ - hahahahaha.... i was just waiting for someone to say that.

d'Fish said...

Selamat hari raya bro.

d'Fish said...

Hara Raya greeting for Shaky Fish and co.

SWei said...

It means "okay thank you bye bye". Picked the weird term up from my friend who's a serious gamer.

muahahaha.

SuLee said...

when i was about 4, my sister was just born and mom had stocked up alot ! more than enough, she made me chuck down one big mug coz she didnt wanna waste, *shiver* blehh!

kyh said...

hahaaa...i too dunno how to answer.

actually i wanna ask, wat does "MAAF ZAHIR BATIN" mean? any muslim readers here care to explain to me pls?

littleComma said...

:) I guess, it's not ok for me to take someone else's reserve milk to feed my baby. I will rather take it from the cow. *hehehe*

ardy said...

I have always been fascinated by breasts. Women are so lucky to have them. They come in all shapes and sizes, so if you have seen a pair, doesn't mean you have seen 'em all. So it is my quest to see as many as possible.

Sorry, got sidetracked ;)

To answer Kyh question, maaf zahir batin means seeking forgiveness from the inside and outside, from within your heart and soul. It mean wiping the slate clean, you forgive and forget.

may said...

personally... ermmmm, I don't think I would lah. reserve for my own kid mah. maybe I should ask my friends who recently gave birth. I think they'll say no too! LOL!

Salam Aidilfitri!

zewt said...

d'Fish - Thanks :)

SWei - okayyyy... dont think i will be using it though :)... good to know nonetheless.

SuLee - hahahaha... so u actually remember the 'taste' eh?

kyh - yo yo yo, how are things? as for maaf zahir dan batin... look ar ardy's comment.

littleComma - strange how we humans would like to have cow touch rather than human touch eh? hehe...

ardy - i am sure many of us like breasts too. thanks for the enlightenment bro.

may - hahaha... in momements of desperation... things might change.

Wuching said...

nothing wrong with sharing, its all good

Enemy of the Republic said...

A hungry child should be fed, no matter what. Yet I've seen some silliness; my eldest sister had trouble with her milk and one time her baby was hungry. My other sister picked her up and began feeding her. My eldest sister was furious, because her milk hadn't stopped; it just was slow. My other sister does think she knows everything; one time she put my son in time out--something that he psychologically cannot handle (he throws up, turns blue so we used other discipline). She did it to take charge without respect or even defer to us, so her gesture of breastfeeding was seen as more of the same. Yet the difference between the outcome of the two deeds is exponential; so my son acts like a brat for an extra minute until I get there--big deal, but if my sister's baby can't eat, then my other sis did the right thing, even if it were for the wrong reasons.

Good to be here.

hikazew® said...

before u make a conclusion that only the ones without proper 'morals/class/creed/whatever-u-call-it' share a pool of breast milk.. allow me to give u an insight to something that i witness..

Mom A was tired from a messy birth of the 2nd child.. when the 3rd child came soon after.. the wounds from 2nd child which didn't heal and got infected (private hospital supposed to be better indeed.. *spits*).. she was unable to breastfeed.. then came Mom B who was at the time nursing her child.. she plops the child of Mom A to the nipple and breast feed him. Mom A and Mom B are sisters.. this is a thing called love.. motherly love.

l y n n w e i said...

formula milk? no no..it's like those u buy outside....like..er....i cant remember what are the brands...something like Anmum? or Dumex?

Anonymous said...

BWAHAHAHAH !!! and i just had this conversation last nite.

a fren's fren had so much, she x wanna waste it .. the husband drank it !

a fren's colleague had so much, she fed it to her dogs (8 of them, i heard) !!!

wat the ... ???

ROTFLMAO

Zaty said...

sharing own milk?...

i dunno.. if it's only some, i probably wont mind, but i think it's a personal thing, for me.. not that i'm feeling selfish, but.. i dunno?

it's just weird, y'know, to give something you produced for your own offspring? ;P it's a strange feeling.

anigma said...

Don't waste milk mah. Hahahhaahah!!! Gawd!!! Hahah!

sharlydia said...

Somehow i felt weird to read about someone sharing breastmilk with someone else' baby lor...

Well I'm a "new" mother and I'm one of those who had plenty of breast milk and i did store plenty of them, for my baby! why pump so much? coz the baby's need will grow sooner than u think and also, the spare frozen milk came in really handy when i started work n needed to travel...

Finally to answer ur question, I think personally i wont share my breast milk lor...and I also wont let my baby take someone else' breast milk lor...

zewt said...

Wuching - hahaha... sounds like u want it.

Enemy of the Republic - quite a scene you have there. but i think it's a good scene... means the family is closed... dont u think? and thanks for being here.

hikazew - very touching indeed. i guess there should be no line drawn... in times of need... we will know what is important.

l y n n w e i - dont think they have breast milk for that though.

anon @ 12.11pm - the husband drank it? hmmm... should i drink my future wife's one? hahahaha...

Zaty - but you're sharing a cow's milk... an animal... then how? it's all in the mind.

anigma - ok... i know u wont waste it.

sharlydia - to each its own. i see no harm though. :)

Zaty said...

LOL i grew up with cow milk because my mom was busy with officework! that's why my mom keeps joking that im a cow's daughter, not a human's. heheh!

i guess maybe it's all in the mind.. but still.. aih. still feels weird la zewt! ;T

zewt said...

zaty - hahaha... maybe she is right? opppss... kidding kidding.

earl-ku said...

i dont care, thats nasi bojari ...

Caramel M said...

Personal experience from watching my sister in law. IT HAS TO COME OUT BABES! either that or it becomes booby cheese... and that is one helluva painful experience and major hassle to get rid off too. Extra HOT towel compress and expressing it.. phew! She cried... Watching the birthing process and the pantang period was eye opening but it didn't help with my wanting to be a mother one day... *shudder*

zewt said...

earl ku - eat that to replace breast milk?

caramel m - okiesss... so better produce it than to leave it eh. guess better share the production, dont want to waste it.

-Princess Shin- said...

Actually its pretty normal to share breast milk in other societies. In Africa, there is communal breast feeding when the mothers are not around. In China, there's also the 'nai ma' thing. But hmm.. I'll personally feel weird doing it! =)

Siew said...

Funny that I should come across this today. I have recently posted my opinion on breastfeeding at my blog, and some statements might have offended some people. I don't know why, because I am only encouraging, not condemning non-breastfeeders. I've apologised anyway because some people have different views to breastfeeding and it would be wrong for me to judge them differently. Breastmilk is the most ideal food for an infant. If a mum has ample, and do not mind going through the bother of pumping it out, I think she should share because not many are fortunate to have good milk supply. For myself, at the moment, I produce just enough for my 4mth-old-baby. However, do note that breastmilk's nutritional content are custom made for your baby alone, and will change throughout your child's development. Therefore, although it is OK to consume others' milk, baby might not reap the maximum benefits, compared to his/her own mother's milk. In some countries, there are milk banks which operates like a blood bank, store milk from milk donors. When there are some studies that suggest that breastmilk can cure some cancers, many cancer patients have sign up with such banks to purchase a supply of milk, and some purchase from their friends' wives, relatives, etc. Anyway, whether one should share breastmilk or drink someone else's breastmilk, is entirely up to each individual. If you feel yucky about it, then don't force yourself. Just like when I suggested that my husband taste my breastmilk, he ran away like a mad monkey. Btw, human breastmilk is sweet, like vanilla. That's why babies love it so much.

zewt said...

princess shin - hahaha... you said it's normal and then said you felt weird... i guess sharing it is not a common thing for the new age... though my friend seems ok with it.

siew - hi there and welcome. yeah, that's what i heard too, that milk production will somehow custom to the baby alone. i guess it's God's way of telling us that mother has a strong bond with her child. i would taste my wife's milk in the future...certainly not a monkey act for me. i have forgotten your blog link...

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